Short version: stupid, stupid idea.
Long version: Some people have this notion that staying a virgin until marriage is a good, laudable goal. Not surprisingly, these people tend to be religious. They stress abstinence-only sex education, push kids to sign little oaths to stay virgins, wear purity rings, and even have creepy little father/daughter balls to encourage kids to avoid having sex before marriage (though perhaps that last tactic might not be the best).
What, exactly, is so wrong with having sex with someone before marriage? I really don’t get it. I know it’s encouraged by the Bible, but much of what the Bible encourages is wrong, immoral, evil or flat-out unwise. So why focus on this as something to be followed?
I think it has to do with Christianity’s fear of sex. Yes, other religions have it, too, but the Christians seem to have really elevated it to an art form, especially here in the USA. I’m not entirely sure where this fear of sex comes from within Christianity, though. I know at least part of it is probably due to things like sex rites practiced by other religions back in the day, but I’m not sure where the rest of it comes from. Maybe it’s the idea that sex = pleasure, and pleasure distracts you from God? I dunno.
It seems to me, though, that on many levels not having sex before marriage is actually a bad idea. Why?
Well, firstly there’s the most obvious problem: what if you and your partner are not even remotely sexually compatible? What if your idea of a good time is him going down on you and his idea of a good time is a little backdoor action? True, you can, at least somewhat, learn to compromise, but why should you? Yeah, love can help you overcome this, but if this person is supposed to be your only source of sexual release for your entire life, doesn’t it make sense to find out before hand if you both like the same things in bed?
Secondly, what if you’re gay or lesbian? By law, you’re not allowed to marry in 49 states in the USA and almost all countries. What are you supposed to do? Of course, the sort of people who push the idea of waiting until marriage tend to also be the sorts who think gay people are going to Hell anyhow, so… yeah.
Third, this concept sets up the situation where some people (not most by any means), are going to wind up getting married before they should, to someone they don’t really love just, so they can get laid. More likely it would be someone they think they’re in love with, but as soon as the road starts getting bumpy, they’ll realize how they really feel. Again, this is probably not a common issue, but it’s probably more common than we’d like to think.
Fourth, why is the best situation with sex one where both partners are inexperienced? I’ve mentioned before that I think it’s weird we find this desirable. This would be like a baseball team hiring people at random from off the streets and expecting them to win the World Series. In my ideal world, we’d actually have, for lack of a better phrase, “sex coaches”, who can teach someone how to be a really good lover. But even without that, I don’t see that going into a lifelong marriage where both the people are virgins is a good thing.
Finally, well, damnit, sex is fun! Great fun! Why not encourage teens to experiment, to enjoy, to relish in the sheer delight of sex? Teach them well, so they can do it safely, and then let them go to it. Delaying sex is delaying one of the greatest things in the entirety of human experience, and that just seems silly to me.
I know we’re scared of teenagers in general, and really scared that they might use their genitals, but we need to get past that, and we need to understand that wanting someone to wait until marriage before sex is silly. Expecting someone to enter a life long commitment without really knowing if they will be compatible with their spouse in one of the major parts of marriage. Surely that’s far more likely to lead to divorce and adultery than trying it before hand?


May 10, 2008 at 1:50 am
Excellent blog. The purity rings thing you mentioned got me. Why is it that being a virgin seems to equal purity? (with the implication that after having sex you’ve somehow become – opposite of pure? – contaminated?).
Feel free to abstain from sex until marriage but please don’t fool yourself and patronise the rest of us by claiming to be “pure” simply because you do.
May 10, 2008 at 1:50 am
Hey, Chris. How’s it going?
I’m probably (OK, very, very likely) the wrong person to pontificate on this subject. Nevertheless, you asked the question, it showed up in my tag surf, I have an opinion on the issue, so here we are.
I’m a religious guy, so let me get that bias out there right away. I haven’t always been “that way” (religious), though, and had my share of calls du bootay. Therefore, I feel at least somewhat “qualified” to answer the questions you posed. Or at least some of them.
The one area where I totally, completely and unabashedly agree with you is that Americans are crazy when it comes to sex. On the one hand, we glorify it and we use it to meet our ends; on the other hand, we’ll show a Stephen Segal movie on regular TV on a Saturday afternoon, but can’t interrupt for a commercial break with an ad for shower gel where a woman’s nipple is visible. (For some reason, a male nipple is OK. Go figure.)
Is it a laudable goal for people to remain virgins until they’re married? I don’t know. You make some good arguments about sexual compatibility. I’ve made the same arguments, myself. I kind of sit on the fence on that issue, largely because I don’t think it’s healthy or particularly helpful to tie a person’s morality (a form of judgment) to his/her sexual behavior.
I don’t want to appear sanctimonious about this, but you have to understand the Weltanschauung of practitioners of Judeo-Christian religious expression if you really want an honest answer to your question. You’ve heard it before, but it bears repeating: sex is not dirty or bad, per se; however, outside of the marital context there can be complications. (Please don’t take me for naive. I fully realize that marital sex can be very, very complicated – in part for the reasons you’ve already mentioned. The difference is a certain level of accountability inside of the marital contract, by which I don’t mean the civil, secular definition, but rather the sacred one – if it’s taken seriously.)
Listen, I won’t go on any further with these arguments unless you want me to, because I know you’ve heard this stuff before.
Here’s what I will say, though. Please try not to paint religious folk – even American religious folk – with a broad brush. I know a LOT of religious people who believe in honest sexual education for young people and who don’t engage in any of those creepy (but now I’m going to ask why we think it’s creepy – just because we don’t understand it? Hmm. I’ll have to think about that.) rituals and oaths. I also know a LOT of religious people who don’t think that gay people will go to hell just for being gay. There’s a broad spectrum of religious folk, even here in the good ol’ US of A.
One last thing: you talked about delaying one of the greatest pleasures in life seeming silly. What’s wrong with delaying gratification? Do we always need to get everything we want right when we want it? Is there something inherently wrong with a bit of discipline?
Have a good’n,
Robaigh
May 10, 2008 at 2:00 am
Lucy – I absolutely agree! The whole “purity” concept only makes sense if you believe sex makes you dirty. Which it can. But a good shower afterwords helps, though if you take it with your partner(s) you can get more dirty.
Robaigh – I greatly appreciate your response! Unlike lots of people, I’m always happy to hear with those who don’t entirely agree with me. I do want to give your reponse the… er… response… it deserves, so give me a few days and I’ll come back with a good reply. I have the next two days off from work, see, and do most of my blogging here, cause I’ve little better to do. However, I’ve just bought an X-Box 360 and doubt I’ll see the sun this weekend.
Thank you, though, for your well-reasoned reply, and please feel free to reply to some of my other articles while I formulate a good response!
May 10, 2008 at 6:19 pm
Have fun thinking and gaming.
See ya soon.
Rob
May 12, 2008 at 3:40 am
I believe settling is a bad idea. If one can find a person that is mentally compatible but sexually incompatible, it is only a matter of time before one finds someone who is both mentally and sexually compatible. To try to compromise in a significant way when it comes to sexual matters is to the settle for the first person that comes along out of fear one will not find anyone better.
From the last sentence in the quote, however, you seem to imply that sex is necessary in order to discover if you both like the same things. To an extent, it may be necessary to have sex in order to verify 100%. But, I would say it is possible to be up to 95% certain of one’s preferences and desires without having had sex. I can understand why you would imply otherwise. You are working on the assumption that if a person waits until marriage, that such a ‘prudish’ individual has enough sexual discomfort to have little education about sexual matters.
For example, many religious females who believe in abstinence may think it is too ‘dirty’ to view porn or masturbate and experiment with sex toys on their own. Therefore, they will not discover what pleases them until after marriage. To complicate matters, they may not talk about sex with their spouse to be at all until the wedding day. If all of this is true for most people that are abstaining, then they are in for a very rude awakening on their wedding night. It is this type of abstinence that I do not condone. It is abstinence based on ignorance.
This said, there are instances where waiting until marriage is not a bad idea. Yet, there must be special conditions. Both individuals must be comfortable with their sexuality to explore what pleases them and what does not on their own. They must involve their spouse to be in the process from a conversational perspective. They must discuss what fantasies arouse them, what they would be willing to try once they are married and what they would never do. They may even buy each other sex toys in order to better know their bodies sexually before their wedding day—or, even watch their partner masturbate in front of them with their new gift. If during this entire process, they discover their sexual arousals are very different, I would recommend breaking off the marriage. If on the other hand, they unravel uncanny similarities and compatibilities, than by all means, continue with the marriage.
This is what I call abstinence based on information and not ignorance. Without that type of open discourse about sexual matters, having sex before marriage may not be very illuminating on the issue of sexual compatibility. Personally, I would prefer a partner that is uninhibited in discussing sexual matters and exploring their fantasies whilst choosing to remain abstinent until after marriage, than someone who is willing to have sex right away and never partakes in that type of open deliberation.
I am not a proponent of abstaining from sex until after marriage. But, I do practice learning as much as possible from a partner about their desires before actually having sex with them. In other words, I do not have sex first and ask later or as many couples do . . . never bother asking at all because they are ashamed of their fantasies or are too sexually insecure.
Waiting until marriage can have its charm only if you are very certain—after much sexual discussion and experimentation—that your partner is a superior match on all levels. By building your sexual experiences with them gradually, the idea of sex with them becomes more desirable. However, the experience changes from ‘thrill’ to ‘unhealthy sexual frustration’ if the date of the wedding is more than six months away. And, if people are willing to wait years even (barring medical emergencies and/or long distance temporary restrictions), then you know abstinence has zero to do with thrill and everything to do with rules, sexual repression, and doing so ‘just because.’
May 12, 2008 at 8:41 pm
Hi Chris… thanks for the posts on my blog. I responded to your comment a day or so ago. A few general thoughts for you.
1. If you come from the perspective that much of what the Bible says is wrong, immoral, evil or unwise, then I realize the moral argument for abstinence is not going ring true with you. I happen to not believe those things about the Bible, so what the Bible says about that topic does hold water for me.
2. In reality the Bible says that sex is beautiful, awesome and a good thing. Unfortunately it’s goofy folks and bad interpretations that lead some Christians and groups to think sex is bad and should be feared. As I understand the Bible, God made sex, it is good, it should be enjoyed (check out the book Song of Solomon)… it just needs to be done within certain guidelines to be enjoyed fully.
3. I personally think the whole “sexually compatible” argument many times is the lazy way of people saying they don’t want to work at their sexual relationship. The idea that it’s unwise to marry someone before having sex doesn’t put faith in those two people to lovingly and selflessly work at their sexual relationship. Also, I would expect that both people talk about those expectations before getting married.
4. You are correct that some people do get married too soon just because they want to have sex. That’s unfortunate, but their foolishness does not mean that the premise of sex within marriage is outdated or unnecessary.
5. I would not say that the best situation for sex is where both partners are inexperienced. But the best part of sex is the learning, growing, and giving to each other. It’s much more than just the end result of a great experience right off the bat. It the journey.
6. Sex is fun, and it should be. But encouraging kids to have it and experiment does not help them in the long run. It has emotional, physical and spiritual consequences, and it should not be taken lightly. Even if you don’t buy into the spiritual reasons for it, look at the stats that ask kids (especially girls) about their their sexual activity in jr. high and in high school. They don’t usually enjoy it, often feel pressure or used, they have emotional issues afterwards, and of course teen std’s and pregnancy are serious consequences.
On a personal note, both my wife and I waited until we were married to have sex (25 and 26 years old). We’re glad we did it. Our sexual relationship is filled only with love for each other, with no memories of past experiences, no pain, no std’s, and no one to compare sexual performance too. We’re glad we did it for many reasons.
Thus ends the thoughts to one person in Chicago
Thanks.
May 12, 2008 at 8:55 pm
Ok, with three very long sets of comments, I’m going to post an entirely new article to address these. Thanks for all the feedback, guys! I’ll get the article up in the next few hours.
May 12, 2008 at 8:56 pm
Oh, and thank you to everyone who has commented so far!
August 16, 2008 at 3:08 pm
Well it is your opinion but I totally disagree. I am far from the religious type yet choose to remain a virgin til marriage. This whole “what if you and your partner aren’t sexually compatible” thing can be easily fixed with a lot of communication! If you’re going to marry this person you should be able to open to them on all levels. Second, I’m not gay so #2 doesn’t apply to me. Third, getting married early is my choice (maybe I want to be a young mother and he a young father). A relationship should be a lot more than sex. Sex is way too emphasized in relationships these days. Sex is just a great minor part of a wonderful relationship I would have with someone. Fourth, 2 inexperienced people can be good because you won’t be embarrassed or wondering if the other one is comparing you to their former lover(s). I could marry a non-virgin or a virgin. I really don’t care. And fifth, fuck yeah sex is great, so I hear. I’ll bet everything I’ve got that it is amazing. What is wrong with waiting for someone you truly love and care for and they reciprocate? Sex is a spiritual act for me. Not always but certainly for the very first time is can be.
Bottom line: it’s your life, live it the way you want, just make sure no one gets hurt! oh and respect others’ decisions, even if they differ greatly from yours.
August 16, 2008 at 8:38 pm
Well, I guess ultimately my point with this is that you shouldn’t ever let anyone else tell you what you should and shouldn’t do with your body. If you actually want to stay a virgin until marriage, you should, though I personally think its a bad idea. If you want to slut it up and be the village bicycle for everyone in town, you should do that, too, as long as you do it safely.
As for your last line, I always respect other people, but I don’t always respect their decisions. I have a friend who I recently found out has been using meth for quite some time. I love him and respect him, but I am appalled by his choice to be doing meth. Mind you, I think drugs ought to be legal, but I also think they’re a bad idea. I also don’t respect people’s choices to believe in God, to be racist, to be homophobic or even something really weird, like voting Republican.
October 14, 2008 at 5:55 am
I can inform you why Christian’s believe virginity is supposed to be saved for the safety of marriage. Becuase they understand God obviously created every inch of our bodies and he’s very aware of how tempting and great sex is created to be. However, he allows evil and good to co-exist in the world. Basic concepts..Any sin is evil, we all sin, no one’s perfect. HOWEVER, the whole point of being a christian is walking in a relationship with God, becoming more like his son Jesus. Being a Christian is a lifelong journey in which you’re living with a purpouse and you recognize it’s not about you. There is so much more out there waiting for you. It’s the greatest adventure, romance, battle of your life. Sex is his gift for marriage to bond two people who are commited to a relationship that can grow and build each other up. He knows sex outside of marriage can get downright messy. He hard-wired us with all those emotions, that’s why he warns us ahead of time, to not walk but to RUN from sexual temptations. He gives us this instruction because he knows that of all the temptations this is the strongest for us to fight. Not becuase he wants to deprive us of “feeling good” for the night, but becuase he created it to be soooooo much more than that. Call on God in your moments of weakness, because he desperatly wants you to. He wants to be your strength in this area of your life that you are struggling with. He also knows that each time you have sex you give a part of yourself away to someone. He doesn’t want you to hurt from the pains of giving yourself away for your own wants and needs in a relationship that isn’t even protected by marriage and a life-long commitment. He created marriage to be the ultimate example of his OWN amazing love for all the world to see. Waiting to share that love with each other, waiting to make it official and blessed by him, is just waiting to experience it completly. Imagine it now; mind, body and soul full circle with another person who is just as devoted to God and serving him as you are. Intense, the best you’re gonna get..just like it’s supposed to be. Now THAT is what I call sex worth waiting for!!
wooot
(proud virgin!)
January 2, 2009 at 1:14 pm
Thank you for this article, it is a box of worms that should be opened. It seems to me the important aspect of sex before marriage should be the emotional aspect of both partners before they have sex, not whether or not their feelings have been “sanctified” by some religion. Control over our sexual urges is one of the pivotal ways in which religions exert their control over a person. At 48, it is much easier for me to look upon another woman without lust, but at 18 it would have been impossible! Sex is not dirty, but wonderful, and it is the teaching that it is that has created many of our present day problems in the area. Thank you again, and I apologize for the length of this comment. Peace, Jim
March 6, 2009 at 12:49 pm
The reason we stay virgins is because, we don’t want to end up with AIDS like the rest of you on this blog.
March 6, 2009 at 5:37 pm
So you’re saying everyone on this blog who isn’t a virgin has AIDS? Goodness! That’s news I’m sure to myself, my mom, a couple of my friends, PiedType, Tokyo5 and all the others! Thanks for the heads-up!
May 8, 2009 at 2:56 am
AIDS?! Dangit! I was sure it would have been the swine flu that got me.
May 8, 2009 at 3:02 am
Well, we here at Blogging with Badger are always happy to keep you updated on the latest news and information regarding your personal health.
May 10, 2009 at 4:41 pm
Hey, thanks for that! Good lookin’-out.
June 30, 2009 at 4:15 am
coming in late on this… but, did you hear about the “Purity Balls” that are gaining popularity… It sounds like something dirty, almost doesn’t it? But, it’s not. LOL I read about it here: http://parentingbeyondbelief.com/blog/?p=235
The quote on the top of the page is pretty good too:
“Life in Lubbock, Texas taught me two things:
One is that God loves you and you’re going to burn in hell. The other is that sex is the most awful, filthy thing on Earth, and you should save it for someone you love.
–Butch Hancock, country singer/songwriter”
gotta love it.
June 30, 2009 at 7:57 pm
Yeah, I commented on the purity balls at one point. Don’t remember what the article was, but not surprisingly, I wasn’t in favor.