Yet More Evil From the Vatican

Back a few months ago a nine-year-old Brazilian girl was raped by her step-father. He got her pregnant. With the court’s permission the girl had an abortion and the local bishop retaliated by excommunicating everyone involved (except the girl who, while old enough to give birth, was too young to be excommunicated, and except for her step-father who, though he had raped her, was still eligible for forgiveness). At the time, I thought this was plenty evil enough, but probably the act of some local bishop being an idiot.

Ha, how wrong I was.

Pope Benny 16 issued a statement backing up the bishop’s ruling. This is no great surprise to someone like me, who views the Catholic church as the greatest force of evil in the world, and I’m sure it doesn’t come as a surprise to most of the Catholics out there, but I damn well hope it comes as a disapointment.

In case it doesn’t regard the following statement from a Vatican official, which makes the role of humanity in church quite clear:

“This is not just theory. And you can’t start backpedaling just because the real-life situation carries a certain human weight.”

So the church members and their concerns don’t really matter. All that matters is doctorine and the Church itself. Very good.

Why the hell do you people stay with an organization like this? I think I’ll stick with atheism, where humanity at the forefront of importance.


9 Responses to “Yet More Evil From the Vatican”

  1. David Says:

    You can stay an atheist, but “humanity at the forefront of importance”? What about the humanity in the womb? That’s not so important, is it?

    The truth is that anyone who participates in any way in an abortion is participating in something intrinsically evil, and thus is not in communion with the church, which is what excommunication means-out of agreement with the church. That is not a life sentence, however, if those involved present themselves repentant to the bishop. The bishop will absolve them, and they will be back in communion with the church.
    Pope Benedict’s statement only affirms that, even in this tough case, the bishop went by the absolute truth-that abortion is wrong in every case.

  2. Chris Says:

    Well, of course I would disagree that an embryo only a few months old counts as humanity. Sure, it has the potential to grow into a human, but with the right technology, fingernail clippings can do that, too. That doesn’t make them human.

    My personal feeling on when a fetus is human boils down to certain brain-wave patterns. I honestly don’t remember what they were, but I did write an article about them, and if you do a search on this site for “abortion” you’re likely to find it in quick order.

    Pope Benedict’s statement only affirms that, even in this tough case, the bishop went by the absolute truth-that abortion is wrong in every case.

    So it’s more acceptable to have a situation where likely the nine-year-old girl (nine!), would die in childbirth as would the baby, assuming they both get to that point, than it is to allow an abortion? Gambling that two people might die is more acceptable? I don’t see that at all.

  3. David Says:

    Well, first, it’s not a potential human. It cannot become anything else. It is a human.

    Your statement was that she was able to carry the baby. With proper attention, I’d say that the chances are better for the baby to live as well as the girl. Every pregnancy has the potential to kill the mother. The point is, had the Church known about the pregnancy before it was aborted, they would have done everything for the mother and the child, including placing the new child up for adoption.

  4. Chris Says:

    I suppose that I can understand that if one views an embryo as a human from the moment of conception, then anything like abortion would be a bad idea. I don’t share that belief, however, as you might’ve gathered. 😉

    There are complications and risks with every pregnancy, true, but there would be far more risks and complications with a nine-year-old girl trying to give birth. Even if she had c-section, that would be a massively invasive surgery that could on its own be fatal, not to mention the huge amounts of stress placed on the body of anyone who gets pregnant, mcuh less a nine-year-old girl.

    Placing the child up for adoption isn’t even part of the issue for me; the health of the girl is everything. Well, health plus her right to decide that she doesn’t want to spend nine months being constantly reminded of a horrible event.

  5. Sandy Says:

    Even though I do so agree abortion is wrong as I am Catholic also, but having said that I have always thought abortion was wrong, before I ever came into the Church.

    Ex-Communication meaning out of agreement with the Church: I do not believe this was the case with this family. I believe they had a nine year old daughter which was raped, were beside themselves as any family member would be, and really did not know what to do for a nine year old girl not pregnant with one child but two. I do not feel as if it had anything to do with being in agreement with the Church, or not. I feel it had to do with the protecting the life of a little nine year old girl. Not saying that two innocent babies in the womb were a trade off. This family went to the authorities to get permission to do this, it was not like they were trying to hide anything. I cannot even imagine myself in this situation and I hope I never have to.

    What the Church teaches regarding Rape: Catechism 2356
    Rape is the forcible violation of the sexual intamacy of another person. It does injury to justice and charity. Rape deeply wounds the respect, freedom, and physical and moral integrity to which every person has a right. It causes grave damage that can mark the victim for life. It is always an intrinsically evil act. Graver still is the rape of children committed by parents (incest) or those responsible for the education of the children entrusted to them.

    Incest 2388 and 2389 Incest designates intimate relations between relatives or in-laws within a degree that prohibits marriage between them. St Paul stigmatizes this especially grave offense: “It is actually reported that there is immorality among you…. for a man is living with his father’s wife… In the name of the Lord Jesus….you are to deliver this man to Satan for the destruction of the flesh Incest corrupts family relationships and marks a regression toward animality. Connected to incest is any sexual abuse prepetrated by adults on children or adolescents entrusted to their care. The offense is compounded by the scandalous harm done to the physical and moral integrity of the young, who will remain scarred by it all their lives, and the violation of responsibility for their upbringing.
    982 There is no offense, however serious that the Church cannot forgive. “There is no one, however wicked and guilty, who many not confidently hope for forgiveness, provided his repentance is honest. Christ who died for al men desires that in His Church the gates of forgiveness should always be open to anyone who turns away from sin.

    According to what the Church teaches us, rape/incest victims are scarred for life. It is seen by the Church also as an “intrinsically evil act” the same as abortion. Both sins are seen as “Intrisically Evil Acts” yet it is reported the rapist can be forgiven yet the family was ex-communicated.

    The “rape” quoted from the Church “will scar the young for life” Let us look at this little girl’s life.

    Nine years old raped and pregnant with twins. The Church also teaches us about virtue. This little girl is Catholic, yet her virginity is gone forever. Maybe this little girl would have been so pure when she got married, and would have saved herself for her husband. She will never get that chance will she? No, that forgiven rapist took it from her.

    Maybe she would have lived and maybe she would not have lived. I imagine the family of this child, felt it was a chance they could not take, with this child.

    Though abortion is wrong and I believe that with all of my heart. How can anyone dare make a judgment call on this family for anything they did? To tell you the truth, I do not know what I would have done. I just do not know. Either way they went they took a chance of the little nine year old not living, or the babies. I hope I never have an instance in my life where a choice like that has to be made.

    I am all for forgiveness of any sin. We cannot be God and say which one would have lived. We cannot be God and say which one of the children would have died.

    It amazes me though, how many Catholic children are raped, and how the Church clearly states how they feel about it, and then for some unkown reason, if it is a Priest, some were moved, if it is nine year old girl ex-communicate the family, but not the child as she is too young to decide for herself, but she is old enough to be a mother, carry and give birth to twins. Last of all, forgive the rapist.

    Make me understand this David? Put it in order for me. Tell me where the right was anywhere in this for anyone? Abortion is wrong, rape is wrong, and a nine year old cannot be a mother. I know what is like to carry twins, as I am a grandmother of twins, I know what my daughter went through. She was 32 and it was very hard for her. Am I the only one who sees the insanity of this whole mess? I know I am not as I have spoken with many in my Church that cannot believe how this has all played out. This is a man that raped a child. Do you really think his repentance is going to be sincere?

    The Church says the “act of incest is a regression towards animality.” Does not get much clearer than that? It is animalistic at it’s best, so use your imagination for the worst.

    I cannot go on because it is sickening to me. My heart just breaks for that child, but it is never about them is it?

    • David Says:

      Rape and incest definitely scar the victim for life. And a pregnant 9 year old by her step-father is definitely scarred. It’s up to the Church to provide her with care. But how is this the baby’s fault, and why should its God-created soul give up it’s body because of the evil that happened to the mother? It’s a difficult situation, a very unusual situation. But anyone who has anything to do with abortion, whether it’s suggesting abortion as a remedy or performing an abortion, is, by default, excommunicated. So what the Pope said, that the Archbishop acted rightly, is correct.
      I admit that this is a dispassionate ruling. This is one of those cases where it’s very hard to be absolutely correct. But the act has already been done, so what the Church should do is provide every possible succor to this girl. But it’s also a fact that, if the doctor and the rapist repent, they will be forgiven.

    • David Says:

      This is a case where I disagree with the person, but I do admire his faith. But considering the propensity for killing innocent children inside the womb, where’s the crime here??
      A parent is required to provide for his family as he sees it and to the best of his ability. Some wouldn’t go to a doctor if their life depended on it. That’s their faith. (a misinterpretation of what God says, but still, that’s their faith)
      Religion did not get in the way. Man’s interpretation of God’s word got in the way.

  6. Chris Says:

    To me it boils down to this: she’s nine years old and was, at the time, pregnant with twins. There was no good reason to let the pregnancy go forward when the odds were good that her, plus the babies, would have died.

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